tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8836896535723994796.post6955075239579179153..comments2021-02-01T18:38:42.718-08:00Comments on Not A Shouting Church: I don't really want to talk about this, but...Pastor Paulhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07507435243055962825noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8836896535723994796.post-62531831556670712032021-02-01T18:38:42.718-08:002021-02-01T18:38:42.718-08:00I know Dan. He is an extremely smart and knowledg...I know Dan. He is an extremely smart and knowledgeable individual. He's also very easy to talk to. You can find some videos of him discussing the topic.<br /><br />My wife is Lutheran. She attended Trinity Lutheran College.<br /><br />If you're ever in the LA area, I'd love to chat with you too.<br /><br />I hope that you aren't afraid of us because we use terms like "mutilation." However, after studying the topic for over 15 years, I have changed my terminology and see it as mutilation as well.John K Adkisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17118224843121442306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8836896535723994796.post-4546712181178976582010-06-19T13:34:59.411-07:002010-06-19T13:34:59.411-07:00Even though you are Lutheran, you will find some v...Even though you are Lutheran, you will find some valuable information at www.catholicsagainstcircumcision.org <br />The Protestant reformation did not change the Roman Catholic teachings on circumcision.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11363630604263837942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8836896535723994796.post-80025289166453946832010-06-11T15:38:34.420-07:002010-06-11T15:38:34.420-07:00Jackie,
ACOG (American College of OBs and GYNs) do...Jackie,<br />ACOG (American College of OBs and GYNs) does not recommend infant circumcision.<br />No national or international medical organization in the world recommends it. Ask yourself why, after 140 years of American doctors performing male circumcisions, that no professional medical organization in the world endorses it. Most medical organizations discourage it. The Dutch national medical organization just came out last month with a policy saying that even religious circumcisions should stop. I would be happy to email you a PDF of their official English translation of the policy statement.<br /><br />Female circumcision was practiced by American doctors for over 100 years. Look up "Orificial Surgery Society" which started in 1890 (it was based here in Chicago). Now, if anyone does any cutting on the healthy, normal, genitals of females under age 18, they go to jail. This is a basic Human Rights issue. <br /><br />Every mammal, male and female, is normally born with a foreskin. It is not a design defect. Does it really make sense that the only healthy, normal, newborn animal in the world in need of immediate surgical correction is the human male, especially if he is born in America? Please look at <br />www.cirp.org/library/statements for links to the circumcision policy statements of medical organizations around the world.<br /><br />As for Paster Paul, his reaction to my protest is quite typical of circumcised men. What man wants to know he is missing something good from his penis? Circumcised men usually try to ignore me and turn their head away when they pass by. Intact men come up to me (most of them are foreign born students here at the U of Chicago) and tell me they cannot understand why Americans cut their boys. Americans often think that a circumcised penis is a "normal" penis. It is not "normal", it is "common" here in the U.S. <br /><br />Jewish circumcision was a blood sacrifice to God. The Old Testament is full of blood sacrifices to God. Christianity did away with blood sacrifices saying that Jesus shed blood and died so that no one else should have to suffer. Christians baptize and include little girls in this new covenent which is that faith in Jesus Christ will bring us salvation. <br /><br />Americans have been raised with the belief that circumcision is good and even necessary. It is difficult to question beliefs that are so ingrained in our culture. However, circumcision is not ingrained in Christianity and not recommended by medical science. It is time to respect our natural bodies. Who are we to question/challenge God's design?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11363630604263837942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8836896535723994796.post-22702756954422725972010-06-11T09:56:24.462-07:002010-06-11T09:56:24.462-07:00Dan, I am happy we are having this conversation, e...Dan, I am happy we are having this conversation, even tho it isn't one that I expected to be involved with, at least until I responded to your earlier statement. So pleased to get to know you even if it is in cyberspace. I cannot match you with facts, figures, data and the like, so let's just say that with my faith, my lifetime of learning, working at a medical school in OB/GYN for eight years, I have always believed and even more so now believe that SHOULD is the correct response over HAVE to have done. Peace.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562740863049894322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8836896535723994796.post-13956366283167469572010-06-10T18:47:17.304-07:002010-06-10T18:47:17.304-07:00Christianity and Circumcision: A Call to Christian...Christianity and Circumcision: A Call to Christian Action<br />http://www.cirp.org/pages/cultural/lewis1/Van Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03656195649085892046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8836896535723994796.post-48787913884991165212010-06-10T16:30:47.200-07:002010-06-10T16:30:47.200-07:00Jackie, I have no problem with an adult deciding t...Jackie, I have no problem with an adult deciding to have their own body cut. What I object to is cutting the body of a child. No national or international medical organization in the world recommends infant circumcision. No other country in the world circumcises the majority of their infant boys without claiming religion as the justification. Western Christianity has always rejected circumcision. The circumcision rate in the U.S. is now about 55% (Texas was 49% in 2008). The U of Chicago circumcises 80%. The majority of hospitals in Chicago cut less than 33%. What makes you believe that a person should be circumcised?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11363630604263837942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8836896535723994796.post-59787812300982023962010-06-10T16:23:30.083-07:002010-06-10T16:23:30.083-07:00Dan, thanks for your comments. Accept my apologies...Dan, thanks for your comments. Accept my apologies for thinking of you as the "circumsion guy." In recent years, Lutherans haven't always been the best at talking about things that make us uncomfortable, foreskin included.Pastor Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07507435243055962825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8836896535723994796.post-5293220960889323812010-06-10T15:21:43.459-07:002010-06-10T15:21:43.459-07:00Dan, I understand that you feel the need to protes...Dan, I understand that you feel the need to protest circumcision. I don't agree as I do not feel that one HAS to be circumcised, but should be.<br />And Pastor Paul, I cannot believe you crossed the street but then again you are always surprising me. I never for one minute believe that you are not as fervent and passionate as Dan in his beliefs, that Grace is the answer.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562740863049894322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8836896535723994796.post-33676164870469864472010-06-10T09:04:29.277-07:002010-06-10T09:04:29.277-07:00Hi Paul, It's me, the "circumcision guy&q...Hi Paul, It's me, the "circumcision guy", though I would rather be known as the "foreskin guy". My name is Dan Strandjord and you may well have met my cousin, Jonathon Strandjord, who is the Director of Theological Education for the ELCA. I was raised Lutheran. Next time you are in Chicago, come talk to me. I promise not to shout at you. p.s. My 7th year of protesting will begin next week.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11363630604263837942noreply@blogger.com